Thread:Kuby101/@comment-24003134-20140515072037

Alright, seeming as meeting in chat is not working I'll say everything I need to discuss here! =]

Firstly, CM needs to be re-thought, as the thread is completely chaotic and needs to be closed and re-done. This is my current top priority before demotions or all the other stuff that I need to get done, so if you have any ideas on how to create a new, neat, and organized CM application I am very open to ideas.

Next, I am really unimpressed with you randomly promoting people. This is a trait that I have observed appearing several times, about power and ranks and the whole deal that comes with all of that, but promotions have and always will be discussed on the Knights & Dragons Wiki. EBCM is an exception, he is already a rollback (therefore trusted by the wiki) and has proved himself to be worthy and capable of promotions such as these, but that really should have been discussed and not just *pop* have a promotion.

My main concern is EpicBoss: Pestilence. Unlike EBCM he is not yet a rollback or staff in any way, and has does not comply with the Chat moderator selection and voting process which was made by yourself. I have noticed that you two are really good friends, but in no way should promotions be done based on friendship. If promotions were done like that I would have Quaakez, Decu, Lux, and yourself all bureaucrats.

Also I saw you mentioned that you had a short vote in chat with other users regarding EpicBoss: Pestilence's promotion to chat moderator. As an admin you should really know that promotions have always been discussed, ever since the birth of this wiki, as it gives the community at large a chance to pit in their opinions. The chat limits the voting to the small amount of people who are there and also doesn't give the staff (e.g. myself) time to talk and discuss the user's actions.

Probably my main long-term focus since becoming a bureaucrat is to get the K&D wiki staff list filled up, for the benefit of the community, and to have more available people to help users and get spam reported and cleaned. A problem with this is that the wiki gets a lot of people who are in it for the ranks and colors and fame so to speak. An example of this would be Quaakez, who joined the wiki after I encouraged him to do so, and instantly went for the promotion of rollback, and after a while left without a trace. As a bcrat and you as an admin we really really really need to be careful who we promote. The time durations that are in place on the Rollback Requests, Administrator Requests, the ex-Bureaucrat Requests, and the Chat moderator selection and voting process (e.g. 2 months registered, 2 months a rollback etc.) are there to make people show that they are dedicated to the wiki and the community.

I have demoted EpicBoss: Pestilence for the reasons that follow. He does not meet the qualifications of the CM voting process and requirements for the time that he was promoted, he has not had a discussion regarding his promotion, and I have had several complaints about his quick promotion and many say that it was a promotion based on friendship, in light of observing your friendship with the user. Please note I am not against the user in any way, but he cannot currently be a CM for the reasons above. I am happy however for him to reapply with the new CM applications (which I will talk about later).

I have not demoted EBCM to just rollback, as stated on the old Chat moderator selection and voting process; You can be a chat moderator if you are a Rollback (this is a good rule, and I will keep that in the new applications for CM). I also think that EBCM is worthy of being a CM and I have observed him doing well managing the chat. EpicBoss: Pestilence I cannot say whether he has done well as CM for the short duration that he was, so I will remain neutral with how he was as a chat moderator.

For a new CM application, the rules and requirements of the old one do seem fair and reasonable, and have worked well, so many of that will not be re-done but more just continued into the new application. For the new application, I have decided that vouches will be made in Kudos, as opposed to a comment saying "i vouch for so-and-so", as all the user needs to move onto a discussion is to pass the requirements of the application and to be able to get 3 registered users to vouch (you can check who gave Kudos to a post, and so anons will not be counted). I've also abolished the rule about nominating other users, as a staff rank is really something that the user should want and work towards getting, not to throw an unwanted burden and expectation on someone's shoulders. There will be no support/oppose in the new application thread, just Kudos if you do, no Kudos if you do not. This way it makes it a lot simpler and easier to handle on our part. I suppose you can notice how in a matter of 3 days the old CM thread was chocablock full with comments, the majority not being direct applicants for the rank.

With SniperEliteZX I have known that he is applying for CM and wants it badly, but I have not yet seen him in chat so I am not sure on the way he acts/responds to situations and whether or not he is able to handle them efficiently so if he asks about that you can redirect him off to the new CM applications thread and he can deal with that himself.

About MissingNo.27 I have notified him that his CM discussion has been cancelled due to a change in policy and way of application. On a side-note I have not seen him active in chat, have you?

I am not having a go at you, just discussing everything that needs to be discussed. I am glad to have you as admin, but your recent actions have left me slightly confused and surprised. I will link you the new CM applications once I have completed the draft and moved it into action. Thanks in future for the responses!

07:20, May 15, 2014 (UTC) 