Thread:Kuby101/@comment-24003134-20140713095642/@comment-24003134-20140714031630

Okay, I'll try to make this short and simple~

Kuby101 wrote: Well, it seemed more targeted to me, as your example of a urgent matter was abuse. Also, I did a bit of background info on other wikia's demotion process on other wikia's, the believe that all cases need demotion threads, unless if it's extremely repetitive. Furthermore, you gave Kadsekji a demotion thread and he abused his powers, he did repetitively and he did not take any remorse for it. Me on the other hand, did not get a demotion thread and was demoted unfairly from 2 admins that were not even in the situation or have any regards, which demoted me based on cherry picked quotes. They neglected the fact that I said sorry to knight in chat, the fact that me and knight were messing around with kicks in chat and the fact that I mentioned it was a joke. I believe that it is my right to have a demotion. Listen very closely, I'm not trying to threaten you or to cause you harm but I must say this, if I don't get a demotion thread I must report you and this incident to the wikia staff, under the category, "unfair demotion". You are still an awesome admin and a great friend but I must be unbiased, mature and honest with you (which is another great quality that an admin should have.) If you still do not believe me or don't have a lot of proof, ask Knight or Oshy yourself, we are friends again and they have admitted that it was a one thing and it's over now, and they have seen quite a change in my behaviour. I know you believe that this was an urgent matter and that you are putting users "on the line", but please, this is incorrect. In real life, a police can't just say that a murderer can't have a parole or a hearing in court, because he may be putting lives on "the line." No, he must give a hearing regardless of the issue, unless if its a crime that has been committed repeatedly and proof of this testimony is available. I fall under none of these aspects and again, there is testimony of my change in behaviour. Also, this case wasn't that urgent as I excused myself to the victims in chat. Therefore a demotion without a thread is not required as said in your own policies. I believe hat you are a good admin, but not really an amazing bureaucrat. You tend to be power protective (over ruling community threads such as the promotion of Nuker to a cm, which I found to be relevant to a rollback, but irrelevant to a chat mod(I agree that you over ruled the rollback evaluation but not the community discussion.) Furthermore, I have seen that you had a bad link in chat which I pointed out had the word "se*" in it. This is in direct contradiction to many of your policies such as "the user agree to not post anything harmful or pornographic" or in chat policies, "not put any inappropriate links." Also the fact that you did not refute or repent this is a clear example of bad management. Furthermore, when I pointed this out, you implied that I was immature, this is unacceptable for a bureaucrat to do. I will let this one go, because you let the eagle problem go, but that dosent mean that if you do it again I will not report this. Again, I will report you if I don't see the right thing from you. If you want me to be mature and consistent, this is a very elaborated and clear example.

I hope you do what's right,

The changes in policy are not and were not targeted at you. I have no intention of targeting you.. They have been changed in light of recent events (which yes, did include your demotion), and have been changed and fitted to help future admins know how to deal with situations.

Now you mentioned that demotions always have discussion, unless the issue was repetitive and EBCM and myself have seen you acting strangely to other users, mainly in chat which was the issue. KADSekji was a rollback and did not have power to kick/ban users from chat, I assume you understand the tools that an admin is granted and the danger it would put the wiki in if an admin did choose to vent his/her anger on the wiki (which was an honest concern of ours, after seeing your reaction to the demotion).

We acknowledged the fact you did apologise to Knight and showed maturity, and that is why you are still on staff and were not completely stripped of your user rights.

Now you say you are not trying to threaten me, yet you claim if you are not given a demotion thread you will report me. This is a threat, just pointing that out.

I have also seen a change in your behavior, as have a lot of the community. I never said that I did not.

Now with Nuker, his rollback and chat moderator requests were cancelled due mainly to the fact that he was blocked for account creation with the intent of avoiding a ban. Usually this would mean that he can never apply for staff due to the "have not been blocked on any wiki" rule, but we decided as it was not for spam/vandalism if we could find good in him he may apply later on.

Just because the link to a Google image had the word s*x in it, the link did not lead to any pornographic or inappropriate content. It is not the users choice what letters are in the link.....

I personally do view you as immature at times, and you ask for my honest opinion and I will always give it to you. This is acceptable for anyone, bureaucrat or not, to do, there shouldn't be any problems there.

As it appears a demotion thread is wanted by the community, but there is no point in holding a demotion thread for someone who was already demoted. You may reapply for staff rights, as this is what the community is asking for and it is my job as a bureaucrat to give this.

I hope I have explained myself and cleared everything up.

03:16, July 14, 2014 (UTC)