User:Kuby101/Refutation of Frostee's accusations

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Hello! You have reached my refutation of recent accusations made by FrosteeSnoman. I shall be briefly discussing many of the misunderstandings, misquotations and accusations made by FrosteeSnoman.

Introductory Remarks
Before I begin, I would like to advise all users that in light of events, FrosteeSnoman is no longer my friend. I felt the need of informing you about this because as a community we must be honest and open with each other. Anyways, today I shall be presenting a refutation of recent attacks that FrosteeSnoman has placed against me in he name of "factual points." Unfortunately, many "facts" that Frostee presented were incorrect, were cherry picked and wrongly analyzed in a biased way. I shall be covering many main aspects of Frostee's analysis. These are

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 * Immaturity
 * Inconsstency
 * Demotion 1
 * DinoKev
 * Other Issues'''

Immaturity
FrosteeSnoman Wrote:

''This is my main issue with Kuby becoming admin is the frequent uprising of immaturity and immature responses to situations. I shall provide in depth evidence for my reasons to thinking this. My first example with this will be "COME BACK IN CHAT NOW", "Come back or we are not friends" (source), and later "I won't ask stupid questions" (source).

I find two things wrong with this. 1) a threat of not being friends with another user if they do not return to chat (although Kuby will claim this as a joke), 2) why was Kuby asking "stupid questions" which made TheAwesomeNuker have to leave chat? I just do not think that it is very mature to be doing this to a user, or asking these "stupid questions" to them making them leave chat.''

Okay I shall attempt to briefly answer these questions.

1)FrosteeSnoman yes I will say it is a joke, but not a regular joke, a personal and inside joke. FrosteeSnoman has failed to recognize the fact that Nuker and I and close friends and we tend to joke around like this. Personally, I don't see why you are dragging this into my nomination as it is irrelevant and personal. Also you have failed to recognize the tone used in that thread. The thread was not serious in any way. I was asking him to come back in chat in a non-serious sarcastic tone. I am serious when I want to be on the wiki, but it is my freedom to be humoristic at times on the wiki.

2)Stupid question. I asked Nuker questions which he felt uncomfortable answering such as "How was School this year?" and/or "What's your religion?" I was unaware of the fact that Nuker did not feel comfortable so he left the chat without notice. I then asked for redemption of my questions and Nuker forgave me. We went back into chat and talked normally. End of Story.

Personally, I don't see any reason for you to publicize this thread nor do I see any concern of yours that could be linked to this thread.

FrosteeSnoman Wrote:

''Kuby had kicked a user as a joke (source). Kicks/bans should be reserved for when they are needed, not for joking around, although Special:Log/chatban seems to say otherwise... Regardless, I don't think that it was appropriate use of his user rights.''

I wouldn't call it a joke which should be publicized either. Frostee, again has failed to identify the entire issue and frankly cannot do so because he was not present in chat nor did he have any legitimate interpretation of what happened. As a modest joke I told everybody in chat that I would ban the next person with a grammar mistake as a joke and they all complied. Knight was just joking when he said I made a mistake so I should be kicked, but then I joked and Kicked Knight because he had a grammar mistake in that phrase. This was a joke and both of us knew it. After that he immediately rejoined chat. No harm meant or done. As a Bureaucrat, I find it very insulting to your own position and my own time and energy if you chase me down for every petty thing I've done. Furthermore, I have again ask for remorse from Knight and Oshy if my actions we're harmful. In spite of all those who believe that I would have only done this to Knight is in error. I can say, none of this was pointed at him. I could've banned somebody else and than unbanned them. If Frostee wants to chase me down for every personal and public reply/action that I've done, than that's fine with me, but Frostee, please don't assume things and make things out of nothing. Especially, when you weren't present when the incident took place. I'm sorry to say this, but it would be more appropriate if somebody who was in chat like Oshy, Andy or EBCM would ask this or assume things.

Inconsistency
FrosteeSnoman Wrote:

''I have seen a lot of inconsistency in Kuby as an admin and as a user. There isn't a whole lot of factual evidence on this, as it is more of a thing I have observed through a lot of posts. One example I will share is "Sorry for yelling at you in chat. It's just you weren't accepting the fact even after I told you Wikipedia is not a wikia" (source). I find Kuby possibly struggles to maintain a consistent calm temperament, which is a vital need for an admin when sorting out issues.''

No I do not have temper issues, as a matter of fact I was not angry at Andy in chat, I was just trying to prove my point in an efficient manner. Again Frostee, you have misquoted what I have said and failed to understand the entire scenario. You were not in chat at the time, nor were you involved in any way. I understand that you are a bureaucrat, but that does not give you the right to assume things just for the sake of desperately trying to make facts. Also, the quote that you missed or failed to recognize was the fact that Andy said it was okay and we carried our discussion out normally. Generally, I would see a problem if I kept doing it, but this was a one- situation and it has been resolved. There is absolutely no need for you to make up facts, nor for you to carry the thread along with you. You have told me yourself that sometimes posting a reply on some threads will only result in further problems. This is a very brood and clear example. The discussion ended, the problem was resolved and you continue to carry it on.

DinoKev and Demotion1
FrosteeSnoman Wrote: ''When DinoKev was active he had promoted Kuby to admin due to him requesting the user rights and he were demoted to rollback shortly after. The reason for this first demotion was power hunger and only wanting the admin title. The moment he were promoted this first time as admin all he did was put his name to the staff list .DinoKev believed he was power hungry, and from reading through I too believe he was back then. Kuby's response to this demotion was also very immature (source), by that I am talking about "aloha Dino boy A.K.A RUDE boy" (source). ''

This is what bothered m a lot because this is the part where you misquoted a lot. What really bothered me though was you were not even a wikia user at the time and the fact that you have twisted the story and have made it biased and false. Nevertheless, let me present the true story. The first thing that you have misunderstood was the fact that I was demoted because of my unexpected inactivity for 1.5 weeks. Dino assumed that I had became an admin only for the sake of the title. However, as I told Dino, that this was wrong and that I was away from the wiki. The next mistake you made was with my immaturity to this matter. I was not being immature, I was stating my honest feelings about DinoKev which you say is a good admin quality. When an admin says or suggests something you do it right? Anyways, what's very ironic is that, I have stated very clearly that I am sorry if I meant harm and if we could be friends and work on the wiki again (source). I shall write word by word of what exactly did I write:

''I am sorry if that was to harsh, can we be friends again you and i and stop this backstabbing. Lets be friends again.''

It is very evident that I wanted to be nice with Dino and to work my way up and earn the admin rank. I also state (later in the thread)

'' I am not trying to bother you in anyway yet, I am emphasizing the point that we should treat each other equally on this wiki. Leave bad thoughts and learn what to say about someone. It's maybe true how i wanted to be a admin badly but not for the sake of 'rulling' over the wiki or for the title. '''All i wanted to do with me ADMIN title is just to block bad people on this site, to cause justice and fairness. C'mon let's stop fighting or arguing and just be friends again. I enjoyed wiki when your were my friend. Not for being a admin, forget about that, for being friends' :)

I have highlighted in bold letters my message. It is very clear no that I wanted to work with Dino and be his equal. I do admit that I was a bit rude and immature but we worked things out in the end and created a infobox together (source))

I have used the same references as you, yet I examine the entire scenario, not cherry picked quotes, facts and figures, self serving and selective. Furthermore, I find it extremely offensive that despite the fact that you were not on the wiki at present and that you have misjudged mines as well as DinoKev's post, that you tell me I was power hungry. Due to the fact that you are a Bureaucrat does not give you any right to say things like that especially, when the problem was dealt with over a year ago. Personally, this is not right for a Bureaucrat to do.

Other Issues
Staff problems: FrosteeSnoman Wrote:

''I'll start off by saying about the first demotion again. His first reply said "i think since of your rudeness and accusations, I think you are a bad wiki leader" (source). Kuby really had no right at all to judge DinoKev's actions in demoting him, and by reading his reply he were clearly angry and frustrated at him. He have also challenged me and my decisions in the same matter, for example in his second demotion, Kuby told me "I am not saying these thins because of this incident, I am speaking about countless incidents which you have overruled only due to the fact that you are a bureaucrat" (source), and again a more recent example "@Frostee-As you can see, you are outvoted" (source). Kuby is not a bureaucrat, and both DinoKev, JustinDaOne, and myself have seen him often trying to tell us what to do. An example of this is what Kuby said in chat 13/07/2014 demanding me to resign from bureaucrat and appoint KandD GSE Andy (this was in PM), and at the time he was only a rollback. Every time this happens it tells me that Kuby thinks he has the jurisdiction to tell me how to act as if I were his puppet? My concern is that with giving you sysop, you will believe even more that you have the right to tell users what to do.

Now I'm not sure if anyone quite remembers, as it was several weeks ago now. An incident in chat happened when Kuby told GamingOshawott to act more mature. At the time this happened, GamingOshawott was a chat moderator and Kuby was not, so what made him think he had the right to tell GamingOshawott how to act?''

This also really bothers me as Frosty has misquoted me and has destroyed my trust. Let me begin with what I said to Dinokev, I have explained this with detail already that me and DinoKev have worked it out and we have left this behind. No further Discussion is needed on this matter.

Than comes the point where Frostee says "Often telling me, Justin and Dino". I'm sorry to say this but this is has no proof whatsoever. have admitted that you have never met DinoKev before and have only talked to in one thread. Also, Justin has never said this. In fact, Justin extends his sympathies and says that I am a person "with the willingness to learn". Frostee, I am asking you to please not accuse people of things they never said, as Justin and Dino have not said this explicitly or implicitly 'anywhere on the wiki.

You have then stated many quotes that I have said. However, you have misquoted the quotes. I was just telling you that I am not stating these opinions because of my demotion. If you took the entire quote, than you'd see

"Frostee-As you can see, you are outvoted since me and Oshy are staff and Andy is certainly going to be an admin. Furthermore, Oshy and Knight have admitted my maturity. Therefore, you must open a thread"

It is very clear that I was only saying this because 4 people (3 of them were staff) had agreed to this. I did not say it because I held something against you. I hope it's clear Frostee :If you are quoting, Please put the entire quote, do not pick sentences out so it's in your favour.

Then, you bring up the point that Kuby said to demote myself and do this and that. I find this extremely ironic that you are writing this as a negative and that in chat you said

"I am happy you said that. It's nice knowing the input of the community"

later you said

"I'm happy that you are being honest with me"

To add to this, Frostee also asked me if I had any problems with him. If an Admin is suggesting you to do something and is constantly asking for the truth, it is only logical that you inform them. Frostee also failed to mention that I did say it in a friendly tone and later said "WE are friends, you are a good person and an amazing admin". When Frostee told me I had no jurisdiction, I stopped. Also notice how I'm saying suggest not force provoke. If Frostee believes that he is my puppet that that is incorrect. I would never act in a way or do something like that. If Frostee has these types of thoughts about me, it shows me that he thinks negative about other users and jumps to conclusions without any rational explanation.

Finally, Frostee talks about my post to Oshy. I told Oshy that his recent post was very immature. I did it because Oshy was talking about a possible admin nomination in the future so I wanted him to be mature and not commit/reply in an immature way. I have told Oshy that he is my friend and he is mature now. To add to this, FrosteeSnoman has also said this in chat

"We are all immature at times"

Which shows that he is implicitly calling us immature at times. If I cannot share my true opinions with other users, what makes Frostee's case so special.

Needing the last say:

FrosteeSnoman Wrote:

''The links below in my opinion show Kuby's need to always make mountains out of anthills and have fights where they really aren't necessary:

1)http://knights-and-dragons.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:165075

2)http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:702392

3)http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:702392

4)http://knights-and-dragons.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:170444

5)http://knights-and-dragons.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:165578''

1)Frostee, again you do not know about the problem nor were you active in chat in order to say something. I will tell you the incident:

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