Thread:FrosteeSnoman/@comment-7211845-20140526213507/@comment-7211845-20140527203108

FrosteeSnoman wrote: Heya Kubs, sorry I haven't been able to talk to you much in chat due to our time zone differences.

Bureaucrat Nominations: I have done a little bit more research into bcracy and have a better understanding of it now than previously. I apologise for jumping to making the bureaucrat requests thread and others alike that, I see now more into what bureaucracy is about and what it fully does. By looking at other Wikia's (with larger communities and developed staff applications), there is generally no form of appointing crats as it is done mostly when the founder/bureaucrat sees a need for another crat or if in the case of smaller wikis (alike this) a bureaucrat has left or retired from the wiki.

Another reason that I agree with Justin's removal of the bcrat applications thread is that bcracy really is a dangerous thing. Once it is granted to a user, it cannot be removed by anyone except for themselves or Wikia staff (only if they absolutely need to step in, i.e. vandal bcrat or ruining the wikia). It also means that the bcrat can run the wiki ways which others would see as very wrong, or jumping to conclusions, or really anything as they are given total power. When Justin told me that he was leaving, I wanted to give him the choice of who he wanted to appoint, feel free to read the thread. I really did want to make him choose who he thought would run the wiki and has the management skills to do so. I don't want to offend, but some actions you have done are questionable, and things such as quick promotions and threats to block users you dislike aren't things that are great characteristics for running a wiki, so I'm kind of unsure about giving you bcracy. With the negative always comes the positive, and I do really like how you are very hard-working and very active, and that you are involving yourself with the community! I really want you to see that you are not missing out on anything, bcrat is just an admin who can promote people!

Maybe you would understand more about the role of a bureaucrat more if I put it to you like this. The only difference between a crat and an admin is the ability to promote users to rollback/admin, and to occasionally step in when things get out of hand with the admins (which won't happen here seeming as we have a very small staff team!). So basically, bureaucrat = admin with ability to promote.

It seems a high probability that Justin may not return, but that is no reason to allow the wiki to get out of hand or do major questionable changes for no reason. If you think of a reason why the wiki needs another bureaucrat, please let me know and I will greatly take it into consideration. =]

Oh Frostee, it seems like you did not understand me, I know that giving bureaucrat rights is a risky move but I am not saying that you should promote some random person. Also I didn't say that I wanted the position, I just said that there should be a community discussion asking users who they is the most fit as an bcrat Also, I've never threading a block on any user for personal reasons. This is a very serious accusation and I hope you understand it's severity. I'm not trying to be rude or anything but I've been an admin on this wiki for a long time and I understand the way it works. I've blocked many users who have done horrifying things to this wiki. Again, never have I blocked somebody because I did not like them. I'm pretty sure you took this idea from my incident with DecuGamer, which is terribly false. I was only irritated at deci for insulting a staff member due to his hectic schedule which his wiki life played a minor role. Now it plays a major role. The only reason why i warned deci about the block because insulting a staff member and calling him lazy not just once, but countless times is unacceptable.

FrosteeSnoman wrote: I think it would be better to keep it as a rollback for 2 months as opposed to chat/roll for 3. Reasons for this is that chat moderator is not a very staff-heavy role, and can be taken quite lightly. Users with rollback are more involved in admin-like activities such as cleaning up spam and vandalism.

Again it seems like you've misunderstood me.  A nominee can qualify if he/she is a rollback for 2 months OR a chat mod for three months. This is an optional choice for those users who the community trusts but are not rollback. Again IT IS NOT A MUST

FrosteeSnoman wrote I know the main reason you may bring this up is about EpicBoss: Pestilence. His block was for actions that he did a while back, and they were minor issues (so 1 week should send the message to get him to not do it again), but the sockpuppeting is a real problem. I would not hugely oppose him becoming a rollback as it is not really a heavy position, but being previously blocked and going for admin is bad.

People do change, and I've seen people change and return from their blocks with a lot more maturity. As I said above, if this person applied for rollback or chat mod I would not have a huge issue with it, but for admin that is a different story and we can touch more on that if that problem arises. A small block should not be a set-back from becoming an influential person in the community, and I do believe in second chances. I would be neutral for removing the "must not have had a block on any wiki" from the chat moderators and rollbacks applications, but certainly not from the admin one.

Okay to get everything clear about epic boss pestilence, ''' this remark or concern not for epic, it's for those who have reformed. I agree that with the admin discussion we met see and wait but the CM and rollback shouldn't be like that. After all, it depends on the block, the number of times and its severity.

Frosteesnoman wrote He has not had any editing issues (spam/vandalism/bad faith edits) so it should be alright. If he does happen to turn I will immediately contact VSTF and ask for a global ban on his IP on both wikis. Hopefully he will not result to revenge for getting blocked, and will remain a good and active member of the community.

Agreed :P